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  • #16
    Nice work. This kind of thing has a habit of rekindling my interest, especially when I live 20 mins from Edmonton Jewish Cemetery. They have a name-searchable website that will give you the actual location of any given grave on a map of the cemetery. So I popped down there this afternoon. Hope this images are OK; as you can see many of the names mentioned in the posts above are present.
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    • #17
      Thanks John. Very nice pictures.

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      • #18
        Great pictures, John. Thank you so much for taking and posting them.

        I also found the 1911 census for Eva and Israel Schwartz and family. I never could find Israel Schwartz before but he came up with Eva. I clipped it and would be happy to post it but a lot of times when I find something like this, others have previously found it and posted it. To post or not to post.......????
        The wickedness of the world is the dream of the plague.~~Voynich Manuscript

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        • #19
          Yes, an impressively quick response, John.

          (What do you do for an encore?)

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          • #20
            Hi Anna


            I make them :


            1891 - 22 Samuel St
            1901 - 21 Jubilee St
            1911 - 26 Princes Sq

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            • #21
              Hi all - sorry for the delayed response!

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              Originally posted by Howard Brown View Post
              Tracy:

              Hats off to you if this is the Israel Schwartz !

              One question since I haven't been up to speed on trying to pin down Schwartz as you and others have....may I ask how do we know that the gentleman you mention appearing in the 1911 census is the one being searched for ?

              Thank you in advance and I hope you're doing well, TJ !
              Thanks How. I'm not doing too bad thanks. Work has been keeping me pretty busy so haven't had much chance to get on here as much as I'd like to. I hope you're keeping well?

              Its a huge coincidence if not. The names of the people in the censuses match up nicely as do professions (Tailor, fur cutter etc).

              The 1911 census which has Israel at 26 Princes Square Cable Street.

              Israel Schwartz, head 49, married 28 years, 11 children born, 6 living 5 dead, tailor, worker, born Poland and Jewish
              Eva Schwartz, Wife 48, married, born Poland and Jewish
              Etta Schwartz, daughter, 25, single, dressmaker, worker, born Poland, Jewish.
              Lionel Schwartz, son, 21, single, fur cutter, worker, born St George's Middlesex London and Jewish.
              Daniel Schwartz, son, 17, single, watchmaker, worker, born St George's, Middlesex London an Jewish.
              Judah Schwartz, son, 13, single, born St George's, Middlesex London.
              Abie Schwartz, son, 11, born St George's Middlesex London.
              Monte Schwartz, son, 9, born St George's Middlesex London.

              It's signed by Israel Schwartz and address underneath with 9 rooms written. The 9 is crossed out in red pen and 4 written beside it.

              Tracy
              If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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              • #22
                Hi Anna

                Originally posted by Anna Morris View Post
                FANTASTIC! Schwartz to Shorts. Makes sense but I would never have thought of it. What was Israel's profession? Actual country of origin? Poland or Austria/Hungary?
                Sorry about the lengthy response time, you probably have the answers now but just in case you haven't. Israels profession was a tailor, his country of origin was Poland. (as was Eva's)
                If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                  Hi Tracy


                  There is a London Gazette announcement for 13 Sept 1918 stating that Lionel Shorts, formerly called Louis Schwatz (sic) is henceforth to be known as Lionel Shorts.


                  In the 1939 register, Lionel is at 65 Earlham Grove West Ham. His surname has been mistranscribed as "Shark." With him are Francis (sic) and Marie. Lionel is born 4th March 89, Francis 28 Oct 89, and Marie 3 May 17. Marie's two future husbands are indicated.


                  Judah Shorts is at 72 Churston Ave West Ham. Judah is born 12 Feb 98, Frances same birth date (!) and Eric 22 Feb 24.

                  As always a great find Robert. Thanks for this, I hadn't yet found these.

                  It does look like Lionel's wife's (Fanny) maiden name was Schnittlinger or Schmittlinger.

                  I have Fanny's approx birth as J/A/S 1888
                  If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Gary Barnett View Post
                    Very interesting, Tracy.

                    No. 26 was directly opposite Liz Stride's Swedish Church and next door to the Bridge of Hope Refuge.
                    That's an interesting side note, talk about 6 degrees of separation!

                    Originally posted by Debra Arif View Post
                    Like Anna I would never have imagined Schwartz could become Shorts! Well done on finding this Tracy.xx
                    Thanks Debs - I learned form the best xx
                    If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
                      Nice work. This kind of thing has a habit of rekindling my interest, especially when I live 20 mins from Edmonton Jewish Cemetery. They have a name-searchable website that will give you the actual location of any given grave on a map of the cemetery. So I popped down there this afternoon. Hope this images are OK; as you can see many of the names mentioned in the posts above are present.
                      These are great John, thanks for sharing. They are fab images and very clear. No doubt it's the same family!
                      !
                      If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                      • #26
                        Here's Israel's death announcement -

                        SCHWARTZ (Shorts). — On Friday/ the
                        24th of April (Iyar 2nd), Israel
                        Schwartz, of 26,. Princes-square, E.I,
                        after a prolonged illness. Deeply
                        mourned by his beloved wife Eva, and
                        children Ettie, Lionel, Daniel, Judah,
                        Alfred, Monty, sorrowing son-in-law,
                        daughters-in-law and grandchildren.
                        - Cherished memories of a noble and
                        righteous Jew.

                        also his marriage of Esther to Joe Shear -

                        SCHWARTZ : SHEAR.—On Sunday, the
                        18th of August, at the Bethnal Green Synagogue,
                        by the Rev. 8. Blachman, Esther, I
                        eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. I. Schwartz, |
                        of 26, Princes-square, Cable-street, to Joe,
                        son of Mr. and Mrs. Shear, of 51, Buxton St East.
                        If you're going to be two-faced at least make one of them pretty.

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                        • #27
                          Tracy:

                          Debs just suggested I look in the A to Z and I did.

                          Is this Schwartz ( since its not mentioned on the thread ) the one who once lived on Ellen Street ? That's the Hungarian Schwartz.

                          Thanks very much for going to the trouble of posting all that...I usually have my schnozz buried in the newspapers ( maybe too deep ) and can't keep up with genealogical work such as this. Echoing everyone else...nice work !
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                          • #28
                            good job

                            Hello Tracy. Well done.

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • #29
                              Sorry if I'm being lazy here, but was there ever actually a Hungarian Israel Schwartz that's been found living in the area at the time? There's something very fishy about the article in the Star. Thank you Tom Wescott for "planting" ideas in my head...

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                              • #30
                                John there's a J Schwartz or Schwarz, can't remember which, from Hungary and the J might be a bad I. But he was in Holborn (1891).

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