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  • PC882 Joseph PHIPPS City of London Police 1871-1897

    Joseph Daniel PHIPPS


    Born circ 1846


    Joins City of London Police c1871 collar number 882.


    Posted Bishopsgate Police Station.


    2 April 1871 census - has him living at 11 New Union Street, St. Giles Without Cripplegate. [City Police Officer]. With his wife Sarah.


    4th August 1871 PHIPPS is mentioned in the London Daily Chronicle and Clerkenwell News -
    ....treatement recieved that night. He had been ill ever since and unable to do duty, indeed, could not raise his arm. Joseph PHIPPS 882, saw the assault spoken of WRIGHT and DAVIES, corroborated all they said. William KERRIDGE 871 said from information..........


    23rd October 1874 PHIPPS is mentioned in a newspaper report from The Morning Post -
    ....or dead?? she came to her senses she gave instructions to the police to apprehend the prisoner and that night Jospeh PHIPPS 882 took him into custody, slightly under the influence of drink. When he told that he was charged with kicking his wife, he................


    15th September 1879 he gives evidence at the Old Bailey, relating to coining offences at the Raven Public House 185-187 Bishopsgate Street, (4 minute walk from 182 Bishopsgate, the police station.)


    https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brow...4&terms=Joseph PHIPPS#highlight


    26th April 1880 he gives evidence at a murder trial which centered around the Railway Tavern, 15 Liverpool Street (4 minute walk from Bishopsgate Station).


    https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brow...5&terms=Joseph PHIPPS#highlight


    3 April 1881 census - 31 Huntingdon Buildings, Bethnal Green. [City Police Constable].


    21st September 1884 PHIPPS is mentioned in the Lloyd's Weekly newspaper -
    ....Taylor in the emply of Mr PLATT were summoned for wantone driving with their horse and omnibuses on Cornhill. Police Constable 882 said at midnight on Friday the 12th instance, he saw the defendants driving thier horses and ominbuses in Cornhill at full.....


    22nd November 1886 he gives evidence again at the Old Bailey, this time relating to an incident of theft at the Sir John Flagstaff public house 45-46 Houndsditch & Cutler Street, (4 minute walk from Bishopsgate Station. Also note within a few minutes walk of his 1891 address at King's Block.)
    https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/brow...6&terms=Joseph PHIPPS#highlight


    20th February 1887 PHIPPS is mentioned in the Lloyd's Weekly Newspaper-
    ....attempting to commit suicide on the 23rd January by cutting his throat with a razor, the evidence of Police Constable Joseph PHIPPS. It appeared that on the 23rd January last he was called to 28 Aldergate Street and that that a man had attempted.......


    9th March 1890 - PHIPPS is mentioned in the newspaper The People Newspaper
    ...pieces, and at a Police Court with being drunk and assaulting thirds wits so much injured that he shortly after Police Constable PHIPPS 882. She had been tens wards died times convicted and the alderman said he hardly two serious accidents have happened.


    5 April 1891 census - 8 Kings Block, St Botolph Aldgate. [Policeman].


    1901 now retired and living in Bromley.


    1911 living in Marylebone. Place of birth given as Tower of Renton (have been unable to locate this?)


    No service papers exist with the City of London Police relating to PHIPPS. Only 60% of all their records survive.
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    Interesting points to note. PHIPPS lived at 8 King's Block in 1891. Was he living there in September 1888? The Ripper is purported to have fled Mitre Square his footsteps being following in that direction before being lost, via King's Block. It is alleged he left graffiti there, that was subsequently photograph by the City Police.

    Was PHIPPS involved in crowd control or securing the Mitre Square scene, we'll never know. But one thing that we can say with some level of certainty is that given that he served with the City Police from at least 1871 to at least 1891 or indeed 1897. He would without a doubt have had Mitre Square as part of his beat at some point?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gordon Caldecott View Post
      Joseph Daniel PHIPPS


      Born circ 1846......


      .....1911 living in Marylebone. Place of birth given as Tower of Renton (have been unable to locate this?)
      I believe it actually says Tower of London

      Cheers

      Dave

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
        I believe it actually says Tower of London

        Cheers

        Dave

        Thanks Dave, that would certainly make more sense.

        I haven't actually seen the original census document for 1911, have just be advised as to what it says.

        Curious that he should be born "in" the Tower of London as apposed to perhaps born Tower Hamlets? Would this suggest that his father was a soldier maybe?

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        • #5
          I haven't yet found a convincing candidate for him in 1851 or 1861 Gordon - but in 1871 he's at 11 New Union Street, with his wife Sarah and young child - but also, perhaps significantly, with somebody named Charles Richards who's described as his brother - perhaps there was a remarriage there or his mother was widowed or something...so maybe he's in the '51 and '61 under Richards...dunno...all I do know is that his birthplace is always described as Middlesex, St George until the 1911...

          Cheers

          Dave

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
            I haven't yet found a convincing candidate for him in 1851 or 1861 Gordon - but in 1871 he's at 11 New Union Street, with his wife Sarah and young child - but also, perhaps significantly, with somebody named Charles Richards who's described as his brother - perhaps there was a remarriage there or his mother was widowed or something...so maybe he's in the '51 and '61 under Richards...dunno...all I do know is that his birthplace is always described as Middlesex, St George until the 1911...

            Cheers

            Dave
            Many thanks for your time Dave, it is greatly appreciated.

            This is all very interesting and certainly something that I'll try and explore in further detail......

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            • #7
              Hi Gordon

              Had a quick look under Richards at 1851 and 1861 and still no joy...found a Joseph Richards approx the right ages (3 and 13) in the St Giles Cripplegate areas but alas no Charles...also alas, he's still about, as far as I can see, in 1871 so not our man...the Richards thing may be a red herring anyway...

              Yes, I think it wants a bit more digging...Was the Tower a piece of imaginative thinking or for real? I believe there were at one time civvies living in the Tower (workers at the Mint at one stage, and servants etc) but whether as late as 1846 I couldn't say...

              Cheers

              Dave

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              • #8
                Hi Dave and Gordon


                I haven't unravelled Phipps's early history but his marriage explains Richards : it was his wife's side.
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                • #9
                  Nice one Robert!

                  Edit - guardsman does that say for father's profession? Light begins to dawn

                  Dave

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                  • #10
                    Robert & Dave,

                    This is GREAT!!! Thanks ever so much for your assistance in piecing all this together!!!!


                    If Joseph was born in the Tower of London in 1845 or so and his father was called Isaac, who in 1868 was a Guardsman. That would seem to fit. Will now try and find out if I can ascertain anything about Isaac. I wonder if he was in the Crimea?

                    But going back to Joseph am I right in thinking that his occupation was "Packer" and that his address was 26 Thames Walk (can't read the bit underneath). Sarah would appear to have been working in "service" in Clapton and got married in St James's Clapton (Hackney).

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                    • #11
                      Good eyesight you two - I was thinking 'gentleman.'


                      I read the address as 26 Thames Walk Clerkenwell Green.


                      I think the occupation may be porter.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                        Good eyesight you two - I was thinking 'gentleman.'


                        I read the address as 26 Thames Walk Clerkenwell Green.


                        I think the occupation may be porter.

                        It's funny with Victorian script as soon as someone tells you what it says it glaringly obvious, Clerkenwell Green of course!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Robert Linford View Post
                          Good eyesight you two - I was thinking 'gentleman.'


                          I read the address as 26 Thames Walk Clerkenwell Green.


                          I think the occupation may be porter.
                          Hi fellows

                          I'm afraid I make it St James' Walk....

                          Dave

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                          • #14
                            It could have been St James Walk, Dave - my eyes are still misty from the Tay Bridge poem.

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                            • #15
                              It has that effect...my own vision is blurred, and my hearing filled with unwanted echoes...

                              Dave

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