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  • London Sewers 1880

    Map of London's sewer system ( The East End....) in 1880.

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      Be still my vadding heart!

      Thank you, How!
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        Back when I ws an industrial cleaner I had the pleasure of sampling Hull's Victorian Sewer System first hand, and it was quite amazing.
        The main branches are huge, you can actually walk down them standing upright, and it's amazing to think that the brickwork still stands today.

        Some of the smaller tunnels have crawling and crouching space, but they get very thin.

        These days the more modern sewers are even bigger, and recently, as part of a publicity stunt, a Mini Cooper was driven down a newly opened one.

        They hold a few suprises too, in one sewer system off Clough-road, we found a large snake that had built a nest, and the sewer systems on the docks had several large nests of spiders!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by How Brown View Post
          Map of London's sewer system ( The East End....) in 1880.
          Excellent, Howard! And thank you, Mike, for your first-hand input. It might appear that the sewer system, much like the Underground or Tube or railway system could have offered routes of escape for the murderer in addition to the conventional above-ground routes in terms of streets and alleyways.

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            http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...rs/index.shtml
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            • #7
              In the past we've had discussions about whether or not JtR used the underground train tracks to escape. In fact, the old logo for this website showed the actual stations, and it was notable how close they were to kill sites.

              But we're talking sewers now ! Anyone think Jack used the sewer system for escape routes ?

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                I think it's highly implausible, given the smell and conditions, the methane pockets, and chance of getting lost or worse stuck, I think they would have been a last resort.

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                  I think I would rather have been arrested...

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                  • #10
                    Wow! supercool Howard - nice post

                    Magpie- What U mean large nests of spiders? - unusual nest/unusual spiders? - I think that alone would keep me out of the sewers

                    Mike - I'm sure there were people who "worked" all day down the sewers trying to pull out anything useful with a hook on a pole - salvage men similar to those on the Thames

                    I think it is a very viable escape route but not necessary in the circumstances

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                    • #11
                      I thought they sent kids down to scavenge for stuff....like an un-glorified chimney sweeper...

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                        A Mudlark was a Victorian Sewer Cleaner or a Riverbank Scavenger.
                        http://www.census1891.com/occupations-m.htm

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                          Question

                          Q: Were the Whitechapel sewers in 1888 like the 1890's ones shown in Magpie's link?

                          I hadn't pictured them as being anywhere near that "tidy", with fully enclosed pipes & steps and all... more like large open conduits full of horrible stuff. It looks quite a bit more 'civilized' than I had imagined.

                          I agree with Nemo; I don't think it's a probable escape route, but it certainly is possible...
                          I just don't think it was necessary for the killer to resort to that, because he was all amped up on his own adrenalin & knew Whitechapel like the back of his hand... and there was always the Underground as Sir Robert said.

                          They looked into this "sewer theory" in Dealey Plaza as well. The firing angle didn't work, but the sewer did lead one right out of the Plaza very rapidly.

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                            Link to the entire sewer system map

                            http://longstreet.typepad.com/books/...stem-1880.html

                            The map in miniature
                            http://longstreet.typepad.com/.a/6a0...1288643970c-pi
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                              Thank you, How. This is the Holy Grail as far as I'm concerned. I just love sewer systems.

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