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  • There have been pairs of serial killers but I do not think JtR had a partner. I suspect he got liquored up at the pub, wandered the streets around closing time & attacked women who got in his path. I imagine he had a cunning sense of the area, not necessarily technical knowledge of police beats....
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  • I think Mary was killed by a deranged killer, JtR or otherwise. Too much was done to her remains. Whoever did it was seriously insane.

    Otherwise, we are told Mary's rent was due and there are witness reports suggesting she had more than one client that last early morning, yet no money was...
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  • I am curious about, "the impossible to trace Lizzie Fisher who told Lloyd's Weekly". Lizzie Fisher was a name originally suggested for the victim in Room 13. Lizzie Allbrook, for instance in the "Western Mail" , gave the information about Mary's regrets. Might Lizzie Fisher and Lizzie...
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  • Anna Morris
    replied to How JTR got to MJK
    Hi, and welcome, Adam Gramling.

    Writers have sensationalized the saga of JtR for over a century. Thus we have MJK at the apex of the murders, the broken window, the lost or stolen key.....etc. All these things have been thrashed out in many discussions. There are many reasons to believe...
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  • Wikipedia actually has a short page on "Shiv" and a longer page on Wiktionary. That is how it is pronounced in American gangster films.

    The word may come from a Romani word for knife, chivvomengro which supplies various verbs. It can also mean the woody remains from...
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  • Anna Morris
    replied to Q & A - Pat Bennet
    That conversation does not necessarily mean anything, even if it took place as reported. The man in the bar could have been a news reporter, an early Ripperologist, a free lance detective, a man who wondered what it would be like to be JtR. We have knowledge of a number of men who used JtR's escapades...
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  • I too like the idea of Lizzie Fisher. I have looked for Mary under that name. Like I said earlier, I believe less and less in Mary Jane Kelly and tend to look in many other directions. I also have a sneaking suspicion that her husband's forename name--if she had a husband--was David/Davey, etc. I cannot...
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  • I have come to the conclusion that "conspiracy theories" consist of patched together stories. Before writing, mythology, fables, even religions, have roots in stories told around tribal fires in the evening after a long day of hunting and gathering.

    I find that modern conspiracy...
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  • Anna Morris
    replied to Q & A - Pat Bennet
    Thank you, Kattrup. I thought it was your post but I was afraid to try to remember names and sources. I agree with what you wrote and it made a deep impression in my thinking....
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  • Anna Morris
    replied to Q & A - Pat Bennet
    I already put forth that suggestion, that Lizzie was a press invention to temper sympathy for Mary's ghastly death with morality. Young Lizzie was warned by Mary not to ever take up the "bad life", etc. She was not an official witness and her name and story seem to originate in a Welsh "Daily...
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  • Davies/Davis/Davey/David is a possible clue but there are millions of them in Wales. What is almost impossible is to strongly link ANY Kelly to any Davies. There were a lot of various explosions in Wales beyond the terrible pit disasters. I have spent a lot of time looking for smaller, local explosions...
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  • Joe Barnett had the longest and most intimate contact with MJK of anyone in the record. He may or may not have heard the truth or been able to accurately share details but he was with her for about 18 months. That is enough time for Mary to have let slip little details, even if she invented some of...
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  • The post above was difficult but I got it done and can't seem to edit. My point is obvious. A Mary Janet Acraman was also listed as Mary Jane. The location is Wales. I checked a lot of other Mary Janes and Janets to see if it was a custom to change Mary Janet into Mary Jane but I do not see that it...
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  • Because I am a glutton for punishment, I once again researched Mary Jane Kelly in my poor resources. I found something of interest though I do not think it is MJK. I think there are other examples similar to this but I did not find any today.

    I kept remembering that Joe Barnett said Marie...
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  • Anna Morris
    replied to Q & A - Pat Bennet
    Maybe one -- of many no doubt -- starting places in identifying Joe B.'s wife would be to keep our eyes open for Lizzies or Louisas in MJK's circle. There is the suggestion that Joe's wife was a witness, whatever that means. It seems Lizzie Allbrook should have been a witness if she was one of the last...
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