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  • Isabeau
    replied to The French Lady Uncovered ?
    I’m bumping ip Jerry’s thread since MJW’s other niece married Rosalie Bernstein/Ochse’s son Oscar Bernstein/Ochse.
    PS Elizabeth E King was a milliners apprentice right age and birthplace, Cripplegate, to be Elizabeth Phoenix....
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool MJK's Whitechapel Connection
    London City Mission

    "Extracts from Committee Meeting Minutes:

    14 January 1889: Charles Pateman was granted expenses incurred by him in rescuing the fallen with whom he meets in the common Lodging Houses in Spitalfields."
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool MJK's Whitechapel Connection
    Hi Debra and Gary,

    The marriage registers can be searched for witnesses?

    Can we then have a list of all the women Charles Pateman "rescued" by marriage? He said he "rescued" MJK's friend.

    I believe the newspapers quoted him as saying...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool Henry Kelly
    England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
    MARRIAGE & DIVORCE

    Oscar Bernstein
    Spouse Elizabeth Ann Ethel Rawlinson
    Father
    Simon Bernstein
    Birth
    1863
    Marriage
    23/03/1886 St. Martin-In-The Fields, Westminster, Middlesex, England...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool Henry Kelly
    Here's the marriage of Margaret Rawlinson/Reardon's sister, Elizabeth A Rawlinson. Both are daughters of Angelica Gould/Gold/Rawlinson/Peyton.
    Elizabeth was born in Runcorn Cheshire in 1866. The husband's name is Oscar Bernstein.

    England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
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  • Whitechapel doesn't really need anything spectacular like Ulla Von Bernus. It has its foreign input from practically everywhere around the world with politics and worldviews and dabbling in whatnot.

    It's not Rotenberg, Hesse. Hesse needed something spectacular, something out of the ...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool MJK's Whitechapel Connection
    Charles Pateman

    Electoral Rolls

    Years 1885, 1887, 1888, 1890

    County or Borough Tower Hamlets

    Ward or Division/Constituency St. Mary/Christ Church, Whitechapel

    Street Address 114 Brick Lane
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Phoenix, Felix, Fenwick
    I still buy into the method of searching unusual surnames to spread the net or network wider to bring in MJK. Although networking with addresses seems to bring in more fish.
    Johannes Morgenstern was already John Felix in the 1881 Census.

    John Fenwick married in the last quarter...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool Henry Kelly
    He's a skinner (and a dresser) so he might know the Felixs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Skinner...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool Henry Kelly
    Ask him if he knows a Mary Jane Kelly?...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Liverpool Henry Kelly
    Addresses of Robert Gold (Gould) from London Electoral Registers (qualifying date July 31) and Census Records:

    1875 51 Bolsover St.
    1877 51 Bolsover St.
    1881 51 Bolsover St.
    1882 51 Bolsover St.
    1884 51 Bolsover St.
    1885 51 Bolsover St.
    1887 51 Bolsover...
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  • Hi Paul,

    Nice title for a thread. I hope you don't mind if I use it.

    Copy cat killings by boyfriends or exs have happened like that. There were at least two in the Boston Strangler case. The police were zeroing in on one when DeSalvo was arrested. Joe Fleming was more the...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Phoenix, Felix, Fenwick
    I said she'd be 27 but I should have said 24. It's probably still her. She likely said she was 30 because Robert was so old. 57?...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Phoenix, Felix, Fenwick
    These Phoenix are from Norfolk.

    The Felix are from Holland.

    The Fenwick are from Northumberland.

    Elizabeth "Phoenix" is from Cripplegate, London.

    I've got red threads going everywhere and nowhere.

    Now I kind of like...
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  • Isabeau
    replied to Phoenix, Felix, Fenwick
    He would have been about 57 and she was 27 so probably not a first marriage for either one. Costello could be a married name. Not too many in Kerry.

    Here's probably Robert's first marriage in Norfolk.

    Marriages Mar 1842 (>99%)
    LEBBELL Rebecca Forehoe 13 233...
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